The hoops twitter account and Burno on IG shared coit being named all district, seems like a good sign he won’t be transferring

(03-18-2024 08:43 PM)Big Red Wrote:  The Zion Russell Era has come to an end.

We can hope.

3 reasons why players transfer:" don't like the coach, don't like the team, don't like the school. Transfer outs reflect poorly on the coach.

(03-19-2024 09:53 AM)Big Red Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 08:13 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  This is one of the reasons why I gave up my support of NIU athletics - and ALL college sports teams. By accident, you can get decent players and then they’re gone to the portal. College sports are no longer the same as when I enjoyed them.

Think of the NIU greats in football and basketball. Think they’d stick around with the portal and NIL money calling them?

I no longer root for any pro teams, either. I will now enjoy my autumns with walks in nature and winters staying out of the cold and snow.

It's just different. And that's okay. I, as well as many other sports fans, ar some point come to realize we root for the uniform...or laundry, if you will. And it matters not WHO is wearing that uniform but that that is our uniform.

It would be great to have players who spend thri entire career in the uniform but that just isn't reality in any sport anymore and if you're into it....you just adjust.

But I too am less committed than I've ever been. That's why I selfishly love the weeknight games. I rarely go to games anymore so when they fit into my schedule (weeknights is really convenient for me to watch on tv), I'm in favor.

And just like you. Man there is way too much to do on a Fall weekend for me to spend at or watching a game.

But I'm still a fan, I still pay attention and I'm still invested from an emotional standpoint.

I'm just not going to get worked up over a guy leaving for a marginally better situation. Now don't get me wrong....I'll judge that decision and hope the lessons of our predecessors teaches those to come. But I know young people are misguided, are often selfish and make self-serving decisions when they have full control over their decisions with no guard rails.

So, I'm not sad to see Russell leave as I had moved on from him a long time ago. As for Nutter and Amos....yeah it sucks. They were integral parts of the team and, had they stuck with it, could have been a major nucleus to build around.

But they took the easy road and, as far as I'm concerned, screw them. I hope they fail. If they succeed, I dont care. I only want guys wearing the black and red in DeKalb to succeed.

Everyone else is the enemy and they have chosen their path.

Well said.

(03-19-2024 09:53 AM)Big Red Wrote:  It's just different. And that's okay. I, as well as many other sports fans, ar some point come to realize we root for the uniform...or laundry, if you will. And it matters not WHO is wearing that uniform but that that is our uniform.

It would be great to have players who spend thri entire career in the uniform but that just isn't reality in any sport anymore and if you're into it....you just adjust.

But I too am less committed than I've ever been. That's why I selfishly love the weeknight games. I rarely go to games anymore so when they fit into my schedule (weeknights is really convenient for me to watch on tv), I'm in favor.

And just like you. Man there is way too much to do on a Fall weekend for me to spend at or watching a game.

But I'm still a fan, I still pay attention and I'm still invested from an emotional standpoint.

I'm just not going to get worked up over a guy leaving for a marginally better situation. Now don't get me wrong....I'll judge that decision and hope the lessons of our predecessors teaches those to come. But I know young people are misguided, are often selfish and make self-serving decisions when they have full control over their decisions with no guard rails.

So, I'm not sad to see Russell leave as I had moved on from him a long time ago. As for Nutter and Amos....yeah it sucks. They were integral parts of the team and, had they stuck with it, could have been a major nucleus to build around.

But they took the easy road and, as far as I'm concerned, screw them. I hope they fail. If they succeed, I dont care. I only want guys wearing the black and red in DeKalb to succeed.

Everyone else is the enemy and they have chosen their path.

Like you I wave goodbye and have no further interest, but I don't wish failure on many people. My attitude is I support the Huskies i.e. whoever puts on the uniform. Team matters a lot more than individuals now.

I am mostly unable to go, so tv/streaming is good. As such not much for me to post; missing the "live" perspective. With the cicadas supposedly swarming May-July, fall is going to busy outside ... walks, garden/landscaping and when it rains, workshop.

TBH, I could support some $ for athletics, but not handing it to this regime. Not spending it either, so maybe it'll build up for a later time. If there is a later time.

Best to all on the board. Still an interesting read.

(03-19-2024 11:00 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 09:53 AM)Big Red Wrote:  It's just different. And that's okay. I, as well as many other sports fans, ar some point come to realize we root for the uniform...or laundry, if you will. And it matters not WHO is wearing that uniform but that that is our uniform.

It would be great to have players who spend thri entire career in the uniform but that just isn't reality in any sport anymore and if you're into it....you just adjust.

But I too am less committed than I've ever been. That's why I selfishly love the weeknight games. I rarely go to games anymore so when they fit into my schedule (weeknights is really convenient for me to watch on tv), I'm in favor.

And just like you. Man there is way too much to do on a Fall weekend for me to spend at or watching a game.

But I'm still a fan, I still pay attention and I'm still invested from an emotional standpoint.

I'm just not going to get worked up over a guy leaving for a marginally better situation. Now don't get me wrong....I'll judge that decision and hope the lessons of our predecessors teaches those to come. But I know young people are misguided, are often selfish and make self-serving decisions when they have full control over their decisions with no guard rails.

So, I'm not sad to see Russell leave as I had moved on from him a long time ago. As for Nutter and Amos....yeah it sucks. They were integral parts of the team and, had they stuck with it, could have been a major nucleus to build around.

But they took the easy road and, as far as I'm concerned, screw them. I hope they fail. If they succeed, I dont care. I only want guys wearing the black and red in DeKalb to succeed.

Everyone else is the enemy and they have chosen their path.

Like you I wave goodbye and have no further interest, but I don't wish failure on many people. My attitude is I support the Huskies i.e. whoever puts on the uniform. Team matters a lot more than individuals now.

I am mostly unable to go, so tv/streaming is good. As such not much for me to post; missing the "live" perspective. With the cicadas supposedly swarming May-July, fall is going to busy outside ... walks, garden/landscaping and when it rains, workshop.

TBH, I could support some $ for athletics, but not handing it to this regime. Not spending it either, so maybe it'll build up for a later time. If there is a later time.

Best to all on the board. Still an interesting read.

Very true, and well stated. I am still a Huskie fan, but not with my physical presence or financial support.

While the portal and NIL is a big reason, the main reason is that flop of an Athletics Director. He is doing all he can to ruin the experience and drive fans and donors away. I have never seen anyone worse.

After I canceled my four season tickets and donations, I got an “OK” and never got a call back trying to fix things. And my annual season tickets go back many years, and revenue from me exceeded $5K annually, not including much larger donations for major projects over the years. Apparently, they are happy to pass it up, and I am happy to save it. I will not buy season tickets or donate again until athletics are taken seriously and a new AD is in place.

(03-19-2024 10:50 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  3 reasons why players transfer:" don't like the coach, don't like the team, don't like the school. Transfer outs reflect poorly on the coach.

Maybe. But it's also their opinion and often young people have wrong opinions and end up regretting their choices (if they're honest about it).

We also know full well that they get terrible advice from people either in their inner circle who do nothing but inflate their egos and support every bad decision they make.

We also know that coaches make promises to kids to get them in their program as depth pieces when they've promised them higher profile roles on the team.

Just like Kaleb Thornton's mama was full of sh!t when she yelled at the game that Burno didn't want her little baby boy on his team when the evidence shows that she is either lying, stupid or both. Thornton played better and more for Burno that he has at Akron. Those are facts. Just because mama says it doesn't make it true. She's just supporting the choices made by her baby boy who can do no wrong.

These are the influences that often times put fuel to these decisions.

I don't like the coach (because I'm not a starter). I don't like the team (because I'm not a starter). I don't like the school (because I'm not a starter).

Then move on, not be a starter at the next school and then continue to lie about how everyone was against you and no one has ever believed in you other than mama and how you are making the best decisions for you.

It's selfish and self-serving (as if that isn't one in the same) and really means next to nothing.

If a guys like Coit, Williams and Konan Niederhauser stay (and we won't know until next year's roster comes out) and Nutter and Amos leaves...what exactly does it say about the coach? We can't make some sweeping generalization because some prominent players stay, while some leave.

There's not accountability for the ones who leave. They were a part of this mess and they want to point the finger elsewhere? Nutter and Amos were starters. They only have themselves to blame for not getting better at shooting free throws and blowing late leads and not closing games out. It's not like they didn't play. They both played a Lion's Share of the minutes available so, again. Take accountability. You were used and were given the playing time to be a difference maker and we lost 20 times this year with your "leadership".

But yeah...it's the coach and when I find that better coach who values and respects me, then it will be better and you will all see how it should be!

If Burno has a fault, I think he believes in his guys too much and they often fail him.

It's funny, the guys who are leaving (as of now), all shot 64.8% (Amos), 64.1% (Nutter) and 53.4% (Russell) from the free throw line and all three of them went to the line a lot and missed free throws in crucial points in the game. We also have a fvcking student manager who worked his way onto the team and playing time and hit two gigantic free throws late against Toledo. Who wants it more?

So yeah. I know it's all on Burno. Guys leaving is on Burno.

Central Michigan greatly overachieved this year and are losing 5 players, including two starters (Markus Harding, Derrick Butler) and a guy who played 15 mpg off the bench in 31 games (Jemal Davis).

Many others will still hit the portal in the next several weeks as well and the vast majority of the time, it has nothing to do with the coach.

While I support athletes' right to move around, the portal has kind of made it too easy for their own good. Why stay and fight through adversity when you can get recruited again and go somewhere that is much better (in their minds). It's going to become common for athletes to attend three and four schools during their college careers, searching for that ideal spot. It's like online dating websites, where the ideal mate is out there if you just keep swiping. No matter how good one looks, there might be a better one a few thousand swipes away.

Nutter is not as good as he apparently suddenly thinks he is.
His move.... I don't believe will work well for him. I would have liked to see him stay (or come back) as I think he could develop here better than elsewhere, and be a par of a winner if they stayed together. This was going to be a fun group to watch when they were all healthy.

Amos... similar. Perhaps he can blossom somewhere else. But I know he was on a good path here, and it's one of those deals that, if your dream is to play in the league, then know that being a star in the MAC can get you there. If he (Amos) goes elsewhere where he is just one more body---- then even if he makes a little NIL money, in the long-run he is losing.

(03-19-2024 06:55 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 04:17 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  So much for the expanded playing time theory.

He only really played because McPherson, Phil, and Muhammed were out. Before that he was barely getting playing time.

I'm fine with him leaving, he wasn't good for an experienced junior year player.

Hopefully Durosinmi enters the portal too.

Burno shouldn't waste time with HS players. For every experienced player he lost to transfer he needs to get transfers in return. Otherwise he's going to be lucky to get the 9 wins he had this season.

(03-19-2024 12:36 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  While I support athletes' right to move around, the portal has kind of made it too easy for their own good. Why stay and fight through adversity when you can get recruited again and go somewhere that is much better (in their minds). It's going to become common for athletes to attend three and four schools during their college careers, searching for that ideal spot. It's like online dating websites, where the ideal mate is out there if you just keep swiping. No matter how good one looks, there might be a better one a few thousand swipes away.

It fits the generation that is growing up right now and sense of entitlement IMO.

I honestly think a lot of these guys THINK/BELIEVE they should be playing more without changing much on their own end and now they transfer because the other school is going to "give them" that opportunity.

More times than not a player goes elsewhere and hardly play or play a reduced role compared to what they did at NIU. Instead of sticking it out and fighting to move up on the depth chart/develop here they take the easy out. From what history has shown for NIU at-least majority of the players leaving, it did more harm than good.

Now it is different at the bigger schools with 5 & 4 stars fighting for playing time, that type of player moving down or to another school, odds are playing time would increase.

(03-19-2024 02:09 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 06:55 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 04:17 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  So much for the expanded playing time theory.

He only really played because McPherson, Phil, and Muhammed were out. Before that he was barely getting playing time.

I'm fine with him leaving, he wasn't good for an experienced junior year player.

Hopefully Durosinmi enters the portal too.

Burno shouldn't waste time with HS players. For every experienced player he lost to transfer he needs to get transfers in return. Otherwise he's going to be lucky to get the 9 wins he had this season.

(03-19-2024 12:36 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  While I support athletes' right to move around, the portal has kind of made it too easy for their own good. Why stay and fight through adversity when you can get recruited again and go somewhere that is much better (in their minds). It's going to become common for athletes to attend three and four schools during their college careers, searching for that ideal spot. It's like online dating websites, where the ideal mate is out there if you just keep swiping. No matter how good one looks, there might be a better one a few thousand swipes away.

It fits the generation that is growing up right now and sense of entitlement IMO.

I honestly think a lot of these guys THINK/BELIEVE they should be playing more without changing much on their own end and now they transfer because the other school is going to "give them" that opportunity.

More times than not a player goes elsewhere and hardly play or play a reduced role compared to what they did at NIU. Instead of sticking it out and fighting to move up on the depth chart/develop here they take the easy out. From what history has shown for NIU at-least majority of the players leaving, it did more harm than good.

Now it is different at the bigger schools with 5 & 4 stars fighting for playing time, that type of player moving down or to another school, odds are playing time would increase.

AAU had played into this mindset as well where individual skills Trump teamwork and commitment to building.

Geno Auriema was quoted recently saying that players went from practicing 5 to 6 days a week to play 1 or 2 games on the weekend to practicing once a week to play 6 games in a weekend.

These players learn that burning bridges has no consequence because there's dozens of bridges that need close and always seem like they lead to a better land.

Burn one....pick another and you will get the support and praise by everyone around you and if this landing spot isn't perfect....find another bridge.

I liked Nutter and Amos.

Nutter was one of the few players on this team capable of creating his own shot and willing to drive it to the hoop.

Amos was our best 3 pt shooter on a team that lacked them and he was slowly learning he could post up his defenders who were often smaller than him.

I have lost a lot of interest with players coming and going. I am still a fan. Does it really matter who leaves from this team. Injuries hurt. But really who was that big of an impact player. Time to get excited about new players I guess.

(03-19-2024 10:50 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  3 reasons why players transfer:" don't like the coach, don't like the team, don't like the school. Transfer outs reflect poorly on the coach.

4 - there is no longer a path to playing time aka they've been pushed out.

Add Will Lovings-Watts.

https://x.com/verbalcommits/status/17704...qsyn5erw5A

Lovings-Watts in the portal now.

I think next year will be Burno's last at NIU.

Tyler Cochran……..yet again. While this is a grad transfer, which I do think is different, this is still ridiculous.

https://x.com/verbalcommits/status/17704...qsyn5erw5A

(03-20-2024 10:00 AM)HuskieDave Wrote:  Tyler Cochran……..yet again. While this is a grad transfer, which I do think is different, this is still ridiculous.

https://x.com/verbalcommits/status/17704...qsyn5erw5A

Basically taking a year vacation at different stops each year. If I were him, I'd look somewhere nice and warm for my last year. Almost a joke at this point.

I agree with that next season is Burno's last if he doesn't get to that above .500 range in W's.

I’m still guessing there will be more leaving

(03-20-2024 09:47 AM)HuskieDave Wrote:  Add Will Lovings-Watts.

https://x.com/verbalcommits/status/17704...qsyn5erw5A

That pretty much does it for me. The last bit of young talent is headed out the door. I think we may have a coaching and staff issue in that they can not hold on to anybody with talent. I will not be tuning in to watch Coit toss up 25 shoots a game or watch our big man get pushed around in the post all night.