(04-29-2024 10:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:10 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 08:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 06:53 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  One bad year does not a trend make. why didnt the portal ruin last year when we had 7? We only had 2 in 2020. did the portal do that?

DP????

Here are data from the official MAC website. The MAC is really on a downslide as far as NFL draftees are concerned.

Sure we had a 1st and 2nd rounder, but look at the numbers we used to get and we used to also get 1st round marque talent.

No way to be happy what we've been seeing since 2020!!!

Look at 2017 with 11 draftees including such names as Kareem Hunt and Kenny Golladay where WMU and TOL led the way for this MAC bounty.

https://getsomemaction.com/news/2021/4/2...draft.aspx

RE: 2020 I would tend to dismiss that year because of how COVID ruined the MAC schedule. The SEC, proving that neither hell nor high water will stop them from playing CFB, played a full schedule.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80...bowl_games

Lets go back 35 years:
2024 - 2
2023 - 7
2022 - 6
2021 - 4
2020 (2)
2019 (9)
2018 (6)
2017 (11)
2016 (6)
2015 (4)
2014 (8)
2013 (7)
2012 (8)
2011 (3)
2010 (5)
2009 (10)
2008 (9)
2007 (8)
2006 (6)
2005 (11)
2004 (7)
2003 (9)
2002 (5)
2001 (5)
2000 (8)
1999 (4)
1998 (6)
1997 (5)
1996 (1)
1995 (2)
1994 (1)
1993 (4)
1992 (2)
1991 (4)
1990 (5)
1989 (2)

2017 was the best draft year for the MAC since i was born. the number of draft pics from the MAC ebbs and flows (look at the mid 90s). Maybe the portal will negatively affect MAC schools in the draft. maybe it wont. it is WAY to early to draw any conclusions.

myth busted.

dp: "Not so fast my friend...."

I have been using Just for Men on my moustache for years. I have been following the MAC for over 30 years. Here is what I know and feel confident stating...

Until Marshall joined the MAC we had one bowl and were losing it. So the Las Vegas Bowl was created for us (and the Big West). MAC was not a good conference. Pure after thought.

in the late 1990s, the MAC got much, much better. Why? Randy Moss, Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, etc. then Big Ben, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Batch, etc. etc. and more and more bowls came into existence. MAC players in the NFL were big names.

We had teams in the top 25 say from around 1998 thru I'd guess 2003. Teams like Marshall, TOL, BG, Miami.

Since then we've had NIU (2012) and WMU (2015). After that, not much.

Now with the portal it will be damn near impossible to build a team over several years . Either they transfer after say 2 years or for a grad year.

"History is best understood by those who have lived it." EMU_Steve 04/29/2024.

Theres a difference between having good teams and having good players.

Jeff Genyk used to get guys drafted and he lost a ton of games.

Now if we average 2 picks a year for the next five years i'll agree - we just dont have the data to support it

As for the portal - why wouldnt an FCS player transfer up to the MAC not get drafted? We arent the smallest fish in the pond by a long shot.

Only the undisputed best of the MAC get drafted. An FCS player transferring up to the MAC is most likely not going to fall into that category! Recruiters sometimes let MAC players fall through the cracks when they should actually be playing P5 football. Those are the guys who get drafted, Antonio Brown, Kevin Walter, Charlie Batch, etc. If an FCS prospect is good enough to get drafted, example Steve McNair or Joe Flacco, I assume they would skip the G5 rung and transfer directly to a P5 team.

(04-29-2024 02:30 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 10:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:10 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 08:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  DP????

Here are data from the official MAC website. The MAC is really on a downslide as far as NFL draftees are concerned.

Sure we had a 1st and 2nd rounder, but look at the numbers we used to get and we used to also get 1st round marque talent.

No way to be happy what we've been seeing since 2020!!!

Look at 2017 with 11 draftees including such names as Kareem Hunt and Kenny Golladay where WMU and TOL led the way for this MAC bounty.

https://getsomemaction.com/news/2021/4/2...draft.aspx

RE: 2020 I would tend to dismiss that year because of how COVID ruined the MAC schedule. The SEC, proving that neither hell nor high water will stop them from playing CFB, played a full schedule.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80...bowl_games

Lets go back 35 years:
2024 - 2
2023 - 7
2022 - 6
2021 - 4
2020 (2)
2019 (9)
2018 (6)
2017 (11)
2016 (6)
2015 (4)
2014 (8)
2013 (7)
2012 (8)
2011 (3)
2010 (5)
2009 (10)
2008 (9)
2007 (8)
2006 (6)
2005 (11)
2004 (7)
2003 (9)
2002 (5)
2001 (5)
2000 (8)
1999 (4)
1998 (6)
1997 (5)
1996 (1)
1995 (2)
1994 (1)
1993 (4)
1992 (2)
1991 (4)
1990 (5)
1989 (2)

2017 was the best draft year for the MAC since i was born. the number of draft pics from the MAC ebbs and flows (look at the mid 90s). Maybe the portal will negatively affect MAC schools in the draft. maybe it wont. it is WAY to early to draw any conclusions.

myth busted.

dp: "Not so fast my friend...."

I have been using Just for Men on my moustache for years. I have been following the MAC for over 30 years. Here is what I know and feel confident stating...

Until Marshall joined the MAC we had one bowl and were losing it. So the Las Vegas Bowl was created for us (and the Big West). MAC was not a good conference. Pure after thought.

in the late 1990s, the MAC got much, much better. Why? Randy Moss, Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, etc. then Big Ben, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Batch, etc. etc. and more and more bowls came into existence. MAC players in the NFL were big names.

We had teams in the top 25 say from around 1998 thru I'd guess 2003. Teams like Marshall, TOL, BG, Miami.

Since then we've had NIU (2012) and WMU (2015). After that, not much.

Now with the portal it will be damn near impossible to build a team over several years . Either they transfer after say 2 years or for a grad year.

"History is best understood by those who have lived it." EMU_Steve 04/29/2024.

Theres a difference between having good teams and having good players.

Jeff Genyk used to get guys drafted and he lost a ton of games.

Now if we average 2 picks a year for the next five years i'll agree - we just dont have the data to support it

As for the portal - why wouldnt an FCS player transfer up to the MAC not get drafted? We arent the smallest fish in the pond by a long shot.

Only the undisputed best of the MAC get drafted. An FCS player transferring up to the MAC is most likely not going to fall into that category! Recruiters sometimes let MAC players fall through the cracks when they should actually be playing P5 football. Those are the guys who get drafted, Antonio Brown, Kevin Walter, Charlie Batch, etc. If an FCS prospect is good enough to get drafted, example Steve McNair or Joe Flacco, I assume they would skip the G5 rung and transfer directly to a P5 team.

The (late) Steve McNair belongs to a different era. Players had to sit out a year and transfers were not common. Players going from FCS to FBS also had to sitout as well as FBS to FBS.

Joe Flacco was interesting. He was one of those FBS players who transferred down and did not have to sitout a season (he transferred 'down').

Some of the players you mentioned were players who did not qualify for initial eligibility or had issues. I believe Antonio Brown had known issues coming out of h.s.

(04-29-2024 03:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 02:30 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 10:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:10 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Lets go back 35 years:
2024 - 2
2023 - 7
2022 - 6
2021 - 4
2020 (2)
2019 (9)
2018 (6)
2017 (11)
2016 (6)
2015 (4)
2014 (8)
2013 (7)
2012 (8)
2011 (3)
2010 (5)
2009 (10)
2008 (9)
2007 (8)
2006 (6)
2005 (11)
2004 (7)
2003 (9)
2002 (5)
2001 (5)
2000 (8)
1999 (4)
1998 (6)
1997 (5)
1996 (1)
1995 (2)
1994 (1)
1993 (4)
1992 (2)
1991 (4)
1990 (5)
1989 (2)

2017 was the best draft year for the MAC since i was born. the number of draft pics from the MAC ebbs and flows (look at the mid 90s). Maybe the portal will negatively affect MAC schools in the draft. maybe it wont. it is WAY to early to draw any conclusions.

myth busted.

dp: "Not so fast my friend...."

I have been using Just for Men on my moustache for years. I have been following the MAC for over 30 years. Here is what I know and feel confident stating...

Until Marshall joined the MAC we had one bowl and were losing it. So the Las Vegas Bowl was created for us (and the Big West). MAC was not a good conference. Pure after thought.

in the late 1990s, the MAC got much, much better. Why? Randy Moss, Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, etc. then Big Ben, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Batch, etc. etc. and more and more bowls came into existence. MAC players in the NFL were big names.

We had teams in the top 25 say from around 1998 thru I'd guess 2003. Teams like Marshall, TOL, BG, Miami.

Since then we've had NIU (2012) and WMU (2015). After that, not much.

Now with the portal it will be damn near impossible to build a team over several years . Either they transfer after say 2 years or for a grad year.

"History is best understood by those who have lived it." EMU_Steve 04/29/2024.

Theres a difference between having good teams and having good players.

Jeff Genyk used to get guys drafted and he lost a ton of games.

Now if we average 2 picks a year for the next five years i'll agree - we just dont have the data to support it

As for the portal - why wouldnt an FCS player transfer up to the MAC not get drafted? We arent the smallest fish in the pond by a long shot.

Only the undisputed best of the MAC get drafted. An FCS player transferring up to the MAC is most likely not going to fall into that category! Recruiters sometimes let MAC players fall through the cracks when they should actually be playing P5 football. Those are the guys who get drafted, Antonio Brown, Kevin Walter, Charlie Batch, etc. If an FCS prospect is good enough to get drafted, example Steve McNair or Joe Flacco, I assume they would skip the G5 rung and transfer directly to a P5 team.

The (late) Steve McNair belongs to a different era. Players had to sit out a year and transfers were not common. Players going from FCS to FBS also had to sitout as well as FBS to FBS.

Joe Flacco was interesting. He was one of those FBS players who transferred down and did not have to sitout a season (he transferred 'down').

Some of the players you mentioned were players who did not qualify for initial eligibility or had issues. I believe Antonio Brown had known issues coming out of h.s.

Right, I am placing those players in today's environment in a hypothetical situation. McNair, were he to transfer today would probably go to the SEC or ACC instead of the MAC or Sun Belt. As for Flacco, that's right! He transferred down from Pitt. He transferred way down, skipping the MAC and going the FCS route and Delaware. Very unusual case, dear I say, an anomaly?

(04-29-2024 03:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 02:30 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 10:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:10 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Lets go back 35 years:
2024 - 2
2023 - 7
2022 - 6
2021 - 4
2020 (2)
2019 (9)
2018 (6)
2017 (11)
2016 (6)
2015 (4)
2014 (8)
2013 (7)
2012 (8)
2011 (3)
2010 (5)
2009 (10)
2008 (9)
2007 (8)
2006 (6)
2005 (11)
2004 (7)
2003 (9)
2002 (5)
2001 (5)
2000 (8)
1999 (4)
1998 (6)
1997 (5)
1996 (1)
1995 (2)
1994 (1)
1993 (4)
1992 (2)
1991 (4)
1990 (5)
1989 (2)

2017 was the best draft year for the MAC since i was born. the number of draft pics from the MAC ebbs and flows (look at the mid 90s). Maybe the portal will negatively affect MAC schools in the draft. maybe it wont. it is WAY to early to draw any conclusions.

myth busted.

dp: "Not so fast my friend...."

I have been using Just for Men on my moustache for years. I have been following the MAC for over 30 years. Here is what I know and feel confident stating...

Until Marshall joined the MAC we had one bowl and were losing it. So the Las Vegas Bowl was created for us (and the Big West). MAC was not a good conference. Pure after thought.

in the late 1990s, the MAC got much, much better. Why? Randy Moss, Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, etc. then Big Ben, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Batch, etc. etc. and more and more bowls came into existence. MAC players in the NFL were big names.

We had teams in the top 25 say from around 1998 thru I'd guess 2003. Teams like Marshall, TOL, BG, Miami.

Since then we've had NIU (2012) and WMU (2015). After that, not much.

Now with the portal it will be damn near impossible to build a team over several years . Either they transfer after say 2 years or for a grad year.

"History is best understood by those who have lived it." EMU_Steve 04/29/2024.

Theres a difference between having good teams and having good players.

Jeff Genyk used to get guys drafted and he lost a ton of games.

Now if we average 2 picks a year for the next five years i'll agree - we just dont have the data to support it

As for the portal - why wouldnt an FCS player transfer up to the MAC not get drafted? We arent the smallest fish in the pond by a long shot.

Only the undisputed best of the MAC get drafted. An FCS player transferring up to the MAC is most likely not going to fall into that category! Recruiters sometimes let MAC players fall through the cracks when they should actually be playing P5 football. Those are the guys who get drafted, Antonio Brown, Kevin Walter, Charlie Batch, etc. If an FCS prospect is good enough to get drafted, example Steve McNair or Joe Flacco, I assume they would skip the G5 rung and transfer directly to a P5 team.

The (late) Steve McNair belongs to a different era. Players had to sit out a year and transfers were not common. Players going from FCS to FBS also had to sitout as well as FBS to FBS.

Joe Flacco was interesting. He was one of those FBS players who transferred down and did not have to sitout a season (he transferred 'down').

Some of the players you mentioned were players who did not qualify for initial eligibility or had issues. I believe Antonio Brown had known issues coming out of h.s.

Flacco did have to sit out a season at Delaware because Dave Wannstedt refused to release him from scholarship.

(04-29-2024 03:32 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 03:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 02:30 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 10:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  dp: "Not so fast my friend...."

I have been using Just for Men on my moustache for years. I have been following the MAC for over 30 years. Here is what I know and feel confident stating...

Until Marshall joined the MAC we had one bowl and were losing it. So the Las Vegas Bowl was created for us (and the Big West). MAC was not a good conference. Pure after thought.

in the late 1990s, the MAC got much, much better. Why? Randy Moss, Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, etc. then Big Ben, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Batch, etc. etc. and more and more bowls came into existence. MAC players in the NFL were big names.

We had teams in the top 25 say from around 1998 thru I'd guess 2003. Teams like Marshall, TOL, BG, Miami.

Since then we've had NIU (2012) and WMU (2015). After that, not much.

Now with the portal it will be damn near impossible to build a team over several years . Either they transfer after say 2 years or for a grad year.

"History is best understood by those who have lived it." EMU_Steve 04/29/2024.

Theres a difference between having good teams and having good players.

Jeff Genyk used to get guys drafted and he lost a ton of games.

Now if we average 2 picks a year for the next five years i'll agree - we just dont have the data to support it

As for the portal - why wouldnt an FCS player transfer up to the MAC not get drafted? We arent the smallest fish in the pond by a long shot.

Only the undisputed best of the MAC get drafted. An FCS player transferring up to the MAC is most likely not going to fall into that category! Recruiters sometimes let MAC players fall through the cracks when they should actually be playing P5 football. Those are the guys who get drafted, Antonio Brown, Kevin Walter, Charlie Batch, etc. If an FCS prospect is good enough to get drafted, example Steve McNair or Joe Flacco, I assume they would skip the G5 rung and transfer directly to a P5 team.

The (late) Steve McNair belongs to a different era. Players had to sit out a year and transfers were not common. Players going from FCS to FBS also had to sitout as well as FBS to FBS.

Joe Flacco was interesting. He was one of those FBS players who transferred down and did not have to sitout a season (he transferred 'down').

Some of the players you mentioned were players who did not qualify for initial eligibility or had issues. I believe Antonio Brown had known issues coming out of h.s.

Flacco did have to sit out a season at Delaware because Dave Wannstedt refused to release him from scholarship.

didn't know that!!

(04-29-2024 03:32 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 03:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 02:30 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 10:05 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-29-2024 09:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  dp: "Not so fast my friend...."

I have been using Just for Men on my moustache for years. I have been following the MAC for over 30 years. Here is what I know and feel confident stating...

Until Marshall joined the MAC we had one bowl and were losing it. So the Las Vegas Bowl was created for us (and the Big West). MAC was not a good conference. Pure after thought.

in the late 1990s, the MAC got much, much better. Why? Randy Moss, Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, etc. then Big Ben, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Batch, etc. etc. and more and more bowls came into existence. MAC players in the NFL were big names.

We had teams in the top 25 say from around 1998 thru I'd guess 2003. Teams like Marshall, TOL, BG, Miami.

Since then we've had NIU (2012) and WMU (2015). After that, not much.

Now with the portal it will be damn near impossible to build a team over several years . Either they transfer after say 2 years or for a grad year.

"History is best understood by those who have lived it." EMU_Steve 04/29/2024.

Theres a difference between having good teams and having good players.

Jeff Genyk used to get guys drafted and he lost a ton of games.

Now if we average 2 picks a year for the next five years i'll agree - we just dont have the data to support it

As for the portal - why wouldnt an FCS player transfer up to the MAC not get drafted? We arent the smallest fish in the pond by a long shot.

Only the undisputed best of the MAC get drafted. An FCS player transferring up to the MAC is most likely not going to fall into that category! Recruiters sometimes let MAC players fall through the cracks when they should actually be playing P5 football. Those are the guys who get drafted, Antonio Brown, Kevin Walter, Charlie Batch, etc. If an FCS prospect is good enough to get drafted, example Steve McNair or Joe Flacco, I assume they would skip the G5 rung and transfer directly to a P5 team.

The (late) Steve McNair belongs to a different era. Players had to sit out a year and transfers were not common. Players going from FCS to FBS also had to sitout as well as FBS to FBS.

Joe Flacco was interesting. He was one of those FBS players who transferred down and did not have to sitout a season (he transferred 'down').

Some of the players you mentioned were players who did not qualify for initial eligibility or had issues. I believe Antonio Brown had known issues coming out of h.s.

Flacco did have to sit out a season at Delaware because Dave Wannstedt refused to release him from scholarship.

didn't know that!!