Simple formula: Politician = liar + crook. No one is in politics for altruistic goals. They may go in with lofty ideals but come out a piece of lying, cheating, stinking scum. Money and power corrupt. If they had a brain, they would get a real, honest job like the rest of us. I had the "privilege" of working under several politicians in government jobs, and they were all douches whose prime goal was to screw the public and fill their pockets and those of their friends. Prison is too good a place for most of them.

(05-19-2010 04:09 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Exactly online.. and lets say for a minute that HJ is right that Republicans pay more for their transgressions, wouldn't that make sense?

Considering they basically run on a holier than thou moral platform of being good Christians. You'd expect them to be held to a higher standard when they are winning elections based on Christian causes.

So the trick in politics, today, is to just not have standards. That way, noone can hold you to them, or call you a hypocrite when you break them.

Anything goes.

I wasn't agreeing with you in the first place. But my point is, if you run on a platform of a higher moral ground, I don't think it would be surprising people make a bigger deal about it when you do something wrong. The whole idea of wooing the Christian base and then committing a moral sin is a slap in the face to their voters. I'd expect those people to get upset.

(05-20-2010 05:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-19-2010 09:43 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  

(05-19-2010 06:05 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  The difference between Republican and Democrats is like the difference
Alcoholics and Cokeheads. The Republicans(Alcoholics) will steal your wallet and truly be sorry they took it. The Democrats(Cokeheads) will steal your wallet, tell you it's lost, and help you go look for it.

Of course your forgetting that one of the 2 alcoholics (Bush admitted and Cheney has 2 DUI's on his driving record) is also an admitted coke user(Bush)

I hope you read OBama's 1995 memoir "Dreams From My Father" where
the President talks about his use of alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine.Maybe you've forgotten about guys like Teddy Kennedy and Tip O'Neill? How about Marion Berry? My point is I don't like behavior on both sides of the aisles. Although I just see the Democratic side trying to destroy what has been the traditional value system of the country. The US is not Europe nor are we a Banana Republic. Reread "1984" a story about subjugation of the individual for the collective.

T Kennedy, Tip ONeil and Berry weren't running the nation and while stating that Dems were Coke addicts and Repubs were only alky's, it took little research to find one that was both and a recent former President at that.

Dems don't espouse we're holier than you are and better than you are", that's the difference which the reichwingers don't seem to grasp. When you make moral values a centerpiece of your idelogy and platform, trumpeting them at every opportunity; when you get caught with your pants down especially with a woman who was an employee of yours and with whom you shot an Abstinence video you, expect to get nailed harder than a public official who doesn't make moral values a keystone of their platform.

If it were just one or 2 repubs that's something that can be excused but there has been a pattern of moral failures among the repub party that runs diametrically counter to the values they espouse and are a core part of their platform that just smells of hypocracy:

Rep Mark Foley R FL: underage male page chasing and repub coverup
Gov & US Rep Jim Gibbons R NV: infidelity with at least one married woman
Sen John Ensign R NV : DC prostitutes
Sen David Vitter R LA : DC prostitutes
Sen Larry Craig R ID: arrested for solicitation of Minneapolis male police officer
Gov Mark Sanford R SC : lied about his whereabouts, infidelity w/married Argentine.

(05-20-2010 02:13 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  If it were just one or 2 repubs that's something that can be excused but there has been a pattern of moral failures among the repub party that runs diametrically counter to the values they espouse and are a core part of their platform that just smells of hypocracy:

Rep Mark Foley R FL: underage male page chasing and repub coverup
Gov & US Rep Jim Gibbons R NV: infidelity with at least one married woman
Sen John Ensign R NV : DC prostitutes
Sen David Vitter R LA : DC prostitutes
Sen Larry Craig R ID: arrested for solicitation of Minneapolis male police officer
Gov Mark Sanford R SC : lied about his whereabouts, infidelity w/married Argentine.

To me, the majority of policitians are full of crap. Either they use their "moral" beliefs or they are for the little guy. I trust very few politicians.


Term limits are needed to reduce the chances of these issues.

How would a term limit help with this problem? Wouldn't the fact they can't be reelected give them more incentive to do these kind of things because they can't stay in office anyways? They have nothing to lose if they have term limits.

No reason to boot someone out of office who is doing a good job.

If they are doing a poor job or committing a crime, vote someone else in. Seems to have worked for the first 200+ years.

(05-20-2010 04:06 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  How would a term limit help with this problem? Wouldn't the fact they can't be reelected give them more incentive to do these kind of things because they can't stay in office anyways? They have nothing to lose if they have term limits.

No reason to boot someone out of office who is doing a good job.

If they are doing a poor job or committing a crime, vote someone else in. Seems to have worked for the first 200+ years.

Term limits would remove people like Madigan, Daley, and others. Term limits would not allow people to make a career out of political office. People like you who do not see it would have to vote for some other idiot and they would not be able to get a foot hold.

Are term limits democratic? Discuss.

(05-20-2010 03:35 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(05-20-2010 02:13 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  If it were just one or 2 repubs that's something that can be excused but there has been a pattern of moral failures among the repub party that runs diametrically counter to the values they espouse and are a core part of their platform that just smells of hypocracy:

Rep Mark Foley R FL: underage male page chasing and repub coverup
Gov & US Rep Jim Gibbons R NV: infidelity with at least one married woman
Sen John Ensign R NV : DC prostitutes
Sen David Vitter R LA : DC prostitutes
Sen Larry Craig R ID: arrested for solicitation of Minneapolis male police officer
Gov Mark Sanford R SC : lied about his whereabouts, infidelity w/married Argentine.

To me, the majority of policitians are full of crap. Either they use their "moral" beliefs or they are for the little guy. I trust very few politicians.


Term limits are needed to reduce the chances of these issues.

Clean out corruption on both sides of the aisle.

(05-20-2010 04:44 PM)OZoner Wrote:  Are term limits democratic? Discuss.

If we have a referendum and we vote it as such.

(05-20-2010 02:13 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  If it were just one or 2 repubs that's something that can be excused but there has been a pattern of moral failures among the repub party that runs diametrically counter to the values they espouse and are a core part of their platform that just smells of hypocracy:

Rep Mark Foley R FL: underage male page chasing and repub coverup
Gov & US Rep Jim Gibbons R NV: infidelity with at least one married woman
Sen John Ensign R NV : DC prostitutes
Sen David Vitter R LA : DC prostitutes
Sen Larry Craig R ID: arrested for solicitation of Minneapolis male police officer
Gov Mark Sanford R SC : lied about his whereabouts, infidelity w/married Argentine.

The bigger hypocrisy is Democrats and political corruption, especially in Illinois. Two democratic governors convicted (Otto Kerner and Dan Walker) of various crimes and Blago on his way to the pokey. Operation Greylord (most successful FBI political corruption sting) 92 Democrats convicted. Operation Silver Shovel, 18 Democrats convicted and the list goes on.

You do realize a Republican Governor was also convicted of a various crime in the same state of Illinois.

Of course you just gloss over George Ryan and William Stratton, what a surprise.. Which is why you aren't taken seriously Kevin. Now go put your Buchanan painting back on the mantle piece next to your white hood and go away.


Klake.. if there are term limits, I'd still have to vote for "some idiot". What's the difference? I'd rather the good politicians be given an opportunity to stay as long as possible. The bad ones should be voted out. It's a democracy, if someone is doing a poor job, vote them out, if the voters don't do it, that's their fault.

A term limit isn't going to change politician's behavior. If anything it'd give them freedom to commit crimes / moral sins, because they don't have to worry about doing a good job in the eyes of the voter because they know there's no possible way they will be re-elected.

(05-20-2010 02:01 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  

(05-20-2010 05:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-19-2010 09:43 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  

(05-19-2010 06:05 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  The difference between Republican and Democrats is like the difference
Alcoholics and Cokeheads. The Republicans(Alcoholics) will steal your wallet and truly be sorry they took it. The Democrats(Cokeheads) will steal your wallet, tell you it's lost, and help you go look for it.

Of course your forgetting that one of the 2 alcoholics (Bush admitted and Cheney has 2 DUI's on his driving record) is also an admitted coke user(Bush)

I hope you read OBama's 1995 memoir "Dreams From My Father" where
the President talks about his use of alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine.Maybe you've forgotten about guys like Teddy Kennedy and Tip O'Neill? How about Marion Berry? My point is I don't like behavior on both sides of the aisles. Although I just see the Democratic side trying to destroy what has been the traditional value system of the country. The US is not Europe nor are we a Banana Republic. Reread "1984" a story about subjugation of the individual for the collective.

T Kennedy, Tip ONeil and Berry weren't running the nation and while stating that Dems were Coke addicts and Repubs were only alky's, it took little research to find one that was both and a recent former President at that.

Dems don't espouse we're holier than you are and better than you are", that's the difference which the reichwingers don't seem to grasp. When you make moral values a centerpiece of your idelogy and platform, trumpeting them at every opportunity; when you get caught with your pants down especially with a woman who was an employee of yours and with whom you shot an Abstinence video you, expect to get nailed harder than a public official who doesn't make moral values a keystone of their platform.

Really? So when Democrats try to raise taxes to fund a school breakfast program and the claim that Republicans are "taking food out of the mouths of children", that is not a more-holier-than-thou attitude?

When Democrats ignore any contradictory evidence, and just accept as an article of faith that there is global warming (oops, I mean climate change), and the government has to increase in size to stop it, and then equate those who disagree with them as being the equivalent of holocaust deniers, that's not claiming moral superiority?

When Democrats claim to be in favor of "working families", which really means union workers with the implication that people who are not part of unions do not really work for a living, that's not assuming moral superiority?

Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression that Democrats were just a bunch of pompus elitists, and that had something to do with Congress' record low approval numbers.

(05-20-2010 10:44 PM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(05-20-2010 02:13 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  If it were just one or 2 repubs that's something that can be excused but there has been a pattern of moral failures among the repub party that runs diametrically counter to the values they espouse and are a core part of their platform that just smells of hypocracy:

Rep Mark Foley R FL: underage male page chasing and repub coverup
Gov & US Rep Jim Gibbons R NV: infidelity with at least one married woman
Sen John Ensign R NV : DC prostitutes
Sen David Vitter R LA : DC prostitutes
Sen Larry Craig R ID: arrested for solicitation of Minneapolis male police officer
Gov Mark Sanford R SC : lied about his whereabouts, infidelity w/married Argentine.

The bigger hypocrisy is Democrats and political corruption, especially in Illinois. Two democratic governors convicted (Otto Kerner and Dan Walker) of various crimes and Blago on his way to the pokey. Operation Greylord (most successful FBI political corruption sting) 92 Democrats convicted. Operation Silver Shovel, 18 Democrats convicted and the list goes on.

Dan Walker was convicted of a crime committed after he left office. Blago hasn't been convicted of anything yet and hasn't had his day in court.

Convenient how you forgot to mention George Ryan sitting in a Penitentiary in Duluth, MN or former Attorney General Bill Scott convicted of taking bribes and had having to resign from office for Tax Evasion.

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/02/06/us/ex-...rch-8.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/20/us/ex-...-plea.html

Besides their transgressions, repubs are vilified because they flaming hyporcrites.

Black people love watermelon and fried chicken.
White people love polo and Mexicans are lazy.

Oh wait... I thought were just posting a list of ridiculous, irrelevant stereotypes. Sorry.. just following HJ's lead.

You are a scared, pathetic child HJ, who apparently can't understand the world or the people in it, so you use these simple, ignorant, outdated stereotypes of people that aren't like you, to try to make yourself feel better about yourself so you can sleep at night.

(05-21-2010 09:40 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Black people love watermelon and fried chicken.
White people love polo and Mexicans are lazy.

Oh wait... I thought were just posting a list of ridiculous, irrelevant stereotypes. Sorry.. just following HJ's lead.

You are a scared, pathetic child HJ, who apparently can't understand the world or the people in it, so you use these simple, ignorant, outdated stereotypes of people that aren't like you, to try to make yourself feel better about yourself so you can sleep at night.

Now that's sassy!