How did I lose the argument, you just agreed they wore them to make a statement. It's my argument that it's the principals job to keep his students safe.

It's not his job to deal with the fact that are Mexican's in his school. Complain to his local politician if you're upset too many Mexicans are there. It's not something that should be settled in a school. It's an adult issue and should be settled by adults.

(05-11-2010 12:36 PM)klake87 Wrote:  So you have talked to them? You know them personally?

Pretty clear without having talked to them. Nice response though.

(05-11-2010 12:32 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The kids who wore the shirts weren't trying to teach anyone anything. They were trying to instigate a fight.

I have not read ANYTHING saying anything close to saying they were trying to instigate a fight. Where did you read that, or are you just making it up?

(05-11-2010 01:32 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Klake.. you're dumber than I thought if you don't think they weren't trying to be antagonistic by wearing the shirts. This fake ignorance act is ridiculous, grow up.

So, even if they were wearing American flag clothes because it was Cinco De Mayo - why does that mean they were trying to start a fight???? So, you're saying that when Mexican's see American flags they are threatened and revoke to violence??? You're off your f'ing rocker!

(05-11-2010 06:55 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 12:36 PM)klake87 Wrote:  So you have talked to them? You know them personally?

Pretty clear without having talked to them. Nice response though.

How is it clear???? It's not like Mexico won independence from the US on May 5, it was the French. So, exactly how is it insulting to Mexicans to wear patriotic clothing on May 5?????? Using that logic it's insulting when anyone wears any flag of another country then and they are likely to be beat up. Way to jump to conclusions. And if these Mexicans really would fight someone for wearing patriotic clothing on May 5 or any other day they should be locked up, and if illegal thrown back over the border.

I love how when morons don't have any sound logic or facts to support an argument they just make crap up. What a joke so many of you are - and how proud I am of so many others of you who can see through their bull**** and support our fine country.

(05-11-2010 08:16 PM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  I love how when morons don't have any sound logic or facts to support an argument they just make crap up. What a joke so many of you are - and how proud I am of so many others of you who can see through their bull**** and support our fine country.

Wow. I don't even know where to start. Logic? How about this for logic...wearing newly purchased USA flag t-shirts and bandannas with four of your buddies in an area that is a hotbed for controversial immigration policies on Cinco de Mayo is STUPID. I'm glad you are willing to call out the "morons" on this board, especially since you are so familiar with the situation...you clearly have all the facts and are the only one in a position to have a valid argument. Whoever disagrees with you must hate America. Great logic there.

(05-11-2010 08:15 PM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  How is it clear???? It's not like Mexico won independence from the US on May 5, it was the French. So, exactly how is it insulting to Mexicans to wear patriotic clothing on May 5?????? Using that logic it's insulting when anyone wears any flag of another country then and they are likely to be beat up. Way to jump to conclusions. And if these Mexicans really would fight someone for wearing patriotic clothing on May 5 or any other day they should be locked up, and if illegal thrown back over the border.

They won independence from the French? Really?

How is it insulting if someone wears any other flag? In my opinion, these kids clearly set this up on purpose. You think these 5 kids just randomly happened to have on USA t-shirts and bandannas on Cinco de Mayo at a largely Mexican high school? If you think it was coincidence, you are a flat out dumb***. If you agree they did it on purpose, they were clearly doing it to get a rise out of the Mexican kids at the school who are likely encouraged to celebrate their heritage on Cinco de Mayo. I don't think that these kids SHOULD have gotten their asses kicked, but if the principal thought that an altercation was going to occur, I can't blame him for taking preventative action.

(05-11-2010 08:54 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 08:15 PM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  How is it clear???? It's not like Mexico won independence from the US on May 5, it was the French. So, exactly how is it insulting to Mexicans to wear patriotic clothing on May 5?????? Using that logic it's insulting when anyone wears any flag of another country then and they are likely to be beat up. Way to jump to conclusions. And if these Mexicans really would fight someone for wearing patriotic clothing on May 5 or any other day they should be locked up, and if illegal thrown back over the border.

They won independence from the French? Really?

How is it insulting if someone wears any other flag? In my opinion, these kids clearly set this up on purpose. You think these 5 kids just randomly happened to have on USA t-shirts and bandannas on Cinco de Mayo at a largely Mexican high school? If you think it was coincidence, you are a flat out dumb***. If you agree they did it on purpose, they were clearly doing it to get a rise out of the Mexican kids at the school who are likely encouraged to celebrate their heritage on Cinco de Mayo. I don't think that these kids SHOULD have gotten their asses kicked, but if the principal thought that an altercation was going to occur, I can't blame him for taking preventative action.

I give presentations at schools regarding the Coast Guard. If I have to give a presentation on Cinco de Mayo should I not wear my uniform because it may offend a Mexican? If that high school had a Junior ROTC Program, should the principal have banned students from wearing their uniforms on Cinco de Mayo because the American flags on them are offensive?

They didn't win independence from France on May 5, either.

(05-11-2010 08:54 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(05-11-2010 08:15 PM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  How is it clear???? It's not like Mexico won independence from the US on May 5, it was the French. So, exactly how is it insulting to Mexicans to wear patriotic clothing on May 5?????? Using that logic it's insulting when anyone wears any flag of another country then and they are likely to be beat up. Way to jump to conclusions. And if these Mexicans really would fight someone for wearing patriotic clothing on May 5 or any other day they should be locked up, and if illegal thrown back over the border.

They won independence from the French? Really?

How is it insulting if someone wears any other flag? In my opinion, these kids clearly set this up on purpose. You think these 5 kids just randomly happened to have on USA t-shirts and bandannas on Cinco de Mayo at a largely Mexican high school? If you think it was coincidence, you are a flat out dumb***. If you agree they did it on purpose, they were clearly doing it to get a rise out of the Mexican kids at the school who are likely encouraged to celebrate their heritage on Cinco de Mayo. I don't think that these kids SHOULD have gotten their asses kicked, but if the principal thought that an altercation was going to occur, I can't blame him for taking preventative action.

Sorry, the won a battle over the French; I could have been more clear. You don't have any facts - you just assume it is a coincidence. As I said in previous posts, I had a USA baseball hat I wore almost every day as a kid - you have no clue if these kids normally wore this stuff or not. And if the preventive action must be taken they should have sent the Mexicans home. That would have been wrong too - but slightly less wrong then sending kids home for wearing clothing with American flags on it when there was no prohibition from doing so. As posted previously, this was clearly a violation of California law as freedom of speech extends to students there (with some exceptions, and this doesn't appear to be one of them).

We...are...in...AMERICA. While it is great for other nationalities to show their pride, they also need to show repect for the country they live in - legally or illegally. If we kowtow to every nationality in this country and not do anything to offend them, then maybe we should just bury our flag and never show it. My gosh, we should never display the American flag in or near a Muslim neighborhood!

I go to Mexico every year. I have too much respect for that country and its wonderful people to do anything or wear anything to offend them. If I lived there and wore an American flag shirt, it would be within the confines of Mexico's customs and tastes. And you better believe that if I were living there, I would support the country and its flag in every way I could.

The Mexicans at that school had every right to wear the Mexican flag and celebreate Cinco de Mayo. The 5 American kids had every right to wear the American flag. If a fight would have ensued, all the perpetrators - Mexican or American - should have been rounded up and carted off to jail. Equal opportunity, equal punishment. That is what this country is supposed to be about.

When are we going to have a day celebrating our victory in Granada? We saved dozens of American students. This was a great victory in American history.

Kevin, you don't get the point at all. You are wearing that uniform for a different purpose than the kids. You are just arguing to argue, it's common knowledge the kids wore the shirts solely to make a point and antagonize other people.

(05-12-2010 08:23 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Kevin, you don't get the point at all. You are wearing that uniform for a different purpose than the kids. You are just arguing to argue, it's common knowledge the kids wore the shirts solely to make a point and antagonize other people.

Why can't the illegal mexican's or mexican americans be the bigger group and not resort to violence. I am fine with celebrating Cinco De Mayo but if the threat of violence exists in schools, then the celebration should not be allowed. Using intimidation is not good and should not be allowed. Like your posts, I don't fall for your BS, I understand you are trying to get people's goat. Its ok, I understand your problems.

Klake.. as I've said repeatedly, that would be nice, but that's not the situation here. That's a separate issue.

The fact is, they don't have to celebrate the day at the school, it's not like the kids don't know it's Cinco De Mayo. It surprisingly falls on the same day ever year. Because of this, regardless if it was recognized by the school or not, the kids still know what day it is, and the kids who wore the shirts would still go out of their way to antagonize their immigrant peers.

I'm not arguing it's an acceptable situation. It's unbelievable how you can read one thing and twist it around to fit what you want your stereotype of progressives to say.

I just think the principal did the right thing, that's all. It's his job to keep students safe, he did that.

I'm not disagreeing with you that it's ridiculous that wearing an American shirt pisses people off. But I'm also not going to pretend to be so naive that I don't understand why it does. Or what the students intentions were when they put the shirts on. If you want to play dumb, so be it, but that isn't going to solve any thing.

(05-11-2010 10:33 PM)Kevin S Wrote:  I give presentations at schools regarding the Coast Guard. If I have to give a presentation on Cinco de Mayo should I not wear my uniform because it may offend a Mexican? If that high school had a Junior ROTC Program, should the principal have banned students from wearing their uniforms on Cinco de Mayo because the American flags on them are offensive?

As 84 said, not even close to the same situation

(05-12-2010 01:31 AM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  You don't have any facts - you just assume it is a coincidence. As I said in previous posts, I had a USA baseball hat I wore almost every day as a kid - you have no clue if these kids normally wore this stuff or not. And if the preventive action must be taken they should have sent the Mexicans home.

So you're telling me that you think that these 5 kids, who happened to be friends, wore USA t-shirts and bandannas to school and it was a coincidence? This wasn't like a few random kids wearing USA shirts or hats.

And I don't disagree that the fact that the Mexican students may have assaulted someone as a result of a t-shirt is a problem, but you can't send home 30 Mexican kids for doing nothing wrong.

I may be making assumptions, but I am entirely confident that these kids did it to get a rise out of their classmates and to cause a situation. If you think otherwise, so be it. I just don't see how you could honestly think that they go to school decked out in USA gear on a regular basis.

Next time, send the people wearing the Mexican shirts home. The Assistant principal discriminated against the Americans.

You really don't get it Klake.

(05-12-2010 09:31 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  You really don't get it Klake.

I do get it, if you are an American, you can not show your pride in fear of retaliation. I understand that the AP was trying to protect the 5 students. He should have sent home anyone wearing Mexican colors too. Maybe students not wearing Mexican flags would be offended and attack the people supporting a Mexican battle.