(04-27-2010 08:23 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(04-27-2010 06:58 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  http://i.imgur.com/2J2wo.jpg

An environmental message on a $4 cup of coffee contained in a disposable paper cup, and a disposable plastic lid? Really?

Judge not their methods, or the validity of their data, but look at their intentions. Of course, their intentions also include controlling the means of production, and taking your own economic choices away from you.

Not really satire, but mocking sarcasm. I think there is a difference. Starbucks, etc. feels good by throwing that message on the cup.

I would think that someone concerned with global warming wouldn't buy overpriced coffee in a disposalable cup, such as yourself...

I don't drink any coffee, overpriced or free, it was an image posted online.

And mocking sarcasm is probably a better choice of wording, but it stands that it's clearly just meant to make people laugh (elitist liberals, no doubt).

Most importantly, I should learn how to spell "disposable."

I have found myself recently changing some poor habits such as tossing alum cans into trash bins for "convenience sake" when accumulated each day while motoring to work or most anywhere.

I'm no longer ditching those pesksy cans into bins outside gas stations or convenience/liquor! stores etc. A simple bad habit anyone can change if you really WANT to make a tiny difference daily. I now have a collection bag in car and then empty cans into recycling bin when arriving home.

Do something/anything no matter how little it may be to protect and preserve/recycle our resources.


I have been forever deeply touched to be a better steward of resources by some of the statements made decades ago by Mr. Cosmos-Carl Sagan. Forget the repub/democ/liberal /conservative harangues.

Sagan paraphrased:
How long do you think mankind can continue at the growing rates of consumption of earth's limited resources? Technology alone cannot "produce" elements in the quantities needed the next century.
There is only so much of everything on the planet.

In the 70's USA consumed 60% of the world's resources consumed in a year with 3% of the earth's population. How long will the remaining 97% stand for it without expecting some "just" compensation?

April 30 is Arbor Day. You don't need to plant nor a hug a tree to feel truly connected to the planet daily. I have occasionally wondered if I have any Native American blood in me. They understood centuries ago what we each need to apply daily.

(04-29-2010 12:40 PM)cyberdawg Wrote:  I have found myself recently changing some poor habits such as tossing alum cans into trash bins for "convenience sake" when accumulated each day while motoring to work or most anywhere.

I'm no longer ditching those pesksy cans into bins outside gas stations or convenience/liquor! stores etc. A simple bad habit anyone can change if you really WANT to make a tiny difference daily. I now have a collection bag in car and then empty cans into recycling bin when arriving home.

Do something/anything no matter how little it may be to protect and preserve/recycle our resources.

How about if you install a big chimney in your house? Then instead of throwing away old papers and furniture, you can burn them, which can heat your home in the winter time, and cut down on your natural gas usage. Oh, wait! Some local governments have zoning laws that forbid you from adding a chimney to your home.

Maybe if you hang your laundy outside, and let it air dry, you do not have to use your dryer, and you can save electricity. Then again, some governments think it is an eyesore to have all those clothes hanging around your house.

Funny thing is, the same nanny state Nazis who support these restrictions are passing "green" regulations too.

Quote:I have been forever deeply touched to be a better steward of resources by some of the statements made decades ago by Mr. Cosmos-Carl Sagan. Forget the repub/democ/liberal /conservative harangues.

Sagan paraphrased:
How long do you think mankind can continue at the growing rates of consumption of earth's limited resources? Technology alone cannot "produce" elements in the quantities needed the next century.
There is only so much of everything on the planet.

There is only so much of everything at an instant in time. Today there is much more corn in the world than 500 years ago. Why is there more corn today?

1) Greater demand
2) Technology

The world also has more trees now.

Quote:In the 70's USA consumed 60% of the world's resources consumed in a year with 3% of the earth's population. How long will the remaining 97% stand for it without expecting some "just" compensation?

Did you catch the part of my original post, where I made fun of this rationale?

Here is an example of your flaw in logic. Let's say you and I are the only two residents in a small neighborhood. You decide to plant a garden, and I decide to stay inside all the time and do nothing. When you decide to harvest your garden, I get to cry and moan about how you only account for half of the population of our neighborhood, and yet you consume 100% of the neighborhood's resources.

The US consumes it's own natural resources, or it pays other countries for them, so I do not cry any tears of collective guilt from being an American.

Quote:April 30 is Arbor Day. You don't need to plant nor a hug a tree to feel truly connected to the planet daily. I have occasionally wondered if I have any Native American blood in me. They understood centuries ago what we each need to apply daily.

How about if I pee on a tree today? You know the Native Americans did that.